I was flipping through a Wonder Woman comic collection, reached a certain page, then put it back down.
What was on that page? A guy- Hercules I think, showing up, and saying basically "Hur hur hur, don't you think you should let a man handle this?".
Of course Wonder Woman proved him wrong. Of course I think she even beat him up in the end. That's not the point.
This is one of the most commonly repeated stories in WW comics... and it sucks every time for the same reasons.
If you're in a world with/directly talking to a woman who can punch out battleships and is one of the three most famous heroes on Earth who fights gods and alien invasions, misogyny isn't just insulting, it implies a massive mental imbalance of the characters in question to the point of having a total disconnect with reality. Even if a character is misogynistic (and WW does have at least one misogynist villain who does not fall for this trap and who's stories are about 'how do you stop this psycho telepath?' and not focus on the misogyny every time), they have to be a total 2-d stereotype, and, even more importantly, every time, it means 2/3rds of a Wonder Woman story is centered around mysogyny! Take off the last 4-6 pages of each issue with this story and it's a misogynistic story. I do not read Wonder Woman for the misogyny.
If I'm reading a comic about an empowered/powerful female, I don't want any misogyny, let alone the bulk of it by page count. I don't care that Wonder Woman proves them wrong/beats them up in the end, it's really crappy writing to do so in the first place. It's the same story, despite the regular denouments it undercuts the point of the theme of the comic, and is just boring.
March 29 2009, 17:32:22 UTC 3 years ago
March 29 2009, 19:43:47 UTC 3 years ago
(Also, hi! I don't think I've seen you post before :) )
March 29 2009, 20:41:14 UTC 3 years ago
I regretted seeing what I posted earlier as it really wasn't that clear, but hey, no edit function. I just remember from early in Perez's run he did that story talking about Herc wrecking the Amazons back in Ancient Greece, and Perez did a story that I thought
a) While his actions were not excused, he seeked forgiveness in an earnest way and was given it
b) It showcased the important aspect of Wonder Woman's theme, which is about mending fences rather than avenging people and seeking revenge
c) Put Hercules in a position of an ally to the Amazons, but not as a person that needs to protect them.
So that's what I connected to when I read your post. Misogyny was in the story, but it didn't seem to be the major theme, and it was handled well in my view. But I haven't read that many DC stories with Hercules in them after that one, and I didn't read Wonder Woman in single issues until one of my favorite writer, Gail Simone, came on. Sorry for the confusion there.
But coming back to your original post, I pretty much agree. I've seen misogyny work out effectively in series like The Boys, but overall it's used as this antagonistic plot device that proves just how much guff a woman won't take from nobody no how. There are certainly more subtle ways of showing a capable heroine, but I think a lot of writers are just too eager to get the point across.
March 29 2009, 21:16:42 UTC 3 years ago
And yea, the story I read sounds a bit like that one, but (a) a lot less good, (b) repetative and unneeded due to that one, and (c) invalidates the ending of that one.
This one had Herc show up and say, "Hur hur hur, Wonder Woman you have been replaced, by a MAN!" basically, then at the end get beat up, without any nice learning of lessons thing. Just making Diana 'prove' herself against a man for... some reason.
It's the writer right before Simone (they made a huge blunder not putting here there to begin with).
April 3 2009, 06:29:20 UTC 3 years ago
April 3 2009, 14:18:29 UTC 3 years ago
I didn't think of it because I've posted there, like, twice. I'm impressed I was followed back from it ^^
April 3 2009, 14:37:13 UTC 3 years ago